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Rob Bell on Hell

Rob Bell is an American pastor and founder of Mars Hill Bible Church in Grand Rapids Michigan.  His church has a five figure attendance and he uses innovative and controversial methods to attract people both to his church and to other media resources he offers including books,  podcasts, and speaking tours.  The following article refers to his book, LOVE WINS.

Rob Bell challenges established Christianity. He challenges the messages of eternal, conscious tormant as the penalty of sin, the eternal fire and brimstone wrath of hell, and the images of a far removed creator and his son ruling people with that rod of iron.  At the same time, he pushes the concept of the loving father God who says his mission is to save all.

Rob Bell flat out attacks the traditional Christian concept of hell.  While never exactly saying that there is no hell, he progressively questions our idea of hell with one argument after another.

Bell starts his book with the story of a woman who included a quote from Mahatma Gandhi in an art display that she displayed while Bell gave a series of teachings on peacemaking. Evidently, someone attached a note to the quote that said that Mahatma Gandhi was in hell.  Bell’s attack is vigorous: “really? Gandhi’s in hell? He is? We have confirmation of this?…”[i]

Bob continues with one argument after another along the same line and he presents his arguments powerfully. In his process, Bell challenges the traditional Christian concepts such as having a personal relationship with Jesus as phrasing not found the Bible.  He challenges how having to say a sinner’s prayer, or perform some sort of “acceptance” contradicts the idea that faith is not by works, but purely by grace.

Bell focuses in on what he describes as an inadequately defined concept of hell because it is so loosely structured from the ideas of the grave, and the fiery city dump.  Bell says about the Old Testament,

“But, simply put, the Hebrew commentary on what happens after a person dies isn’t very articulated or defined. Sheol, death, and the grave in the consciousness of the Hebrew writers are all a bit vague and ‘under worldly.'”[ii] He shows a similar lack of simple, straightforward, clearly defined logic in the New Testament

On the other hand, Bell applauds the cause of justice and even cites the need for punitive language as an influence to bring people back to justice. But he questions the finality of an eternal burning fiery pit called hell. As a case in point he talks about the language concerning Sodom and Gomorrah, often seen as a veritable cesspool of evil whose burning destruction sets the visual imagery for what will happen to those who don’t follow Christ. He cites the prophet Ezekiel who in chapter 16 says that God will restore the fortunes of Sodom and return it to what it was before. The implication is how that can be if Sodom and Gomorrah are the model for a eternal pit of fiery torment. He talks about how Jesus in Matthew 10 said it will be better for Sodom and Gomorrah than for the religious of his day. If Sodom and Gomorrah are the visual image of hell and hell is the worst thing that can happen, his point is how can Sodom and Gomorrah then be better than something else? Isn’t hell the absolute worst?[iii]

Rob Bell’s style is not clear cut logical reasoning. It actually reminded me of some of the things that I’ve read about Aristotle who would corner people with endless questions as he steered them toward specific points. Bell questions, questions, questions, and then attacks with one nontraditional line of reasoning after another at the traditional Christian concept that those that accept Christ in this life go to heaven, and all others burn in hell forever.  Bell’s arguments sort of dance all over the place, coming at the reader from changing angles.

Bill documents actual churches where they include in their statement of belief that the “unsaved” will consciously suffer torment in hell forever. Then he refers other sections in those same statements of belief where God is described as this incredibly loving entity that is beyond belief. And he focuses on that paradox. He also makes the case for separation from God as being a torment the people experience here on earth now.

Rob Bell’s point is that despite the statements of belief of many a church, and what appear to be some simple, straightforward verses regarding hell the case is not that simple. Bell hammers home the concept that Jesus came that “all” are to be saved, and how the intricacies of the numerous verses about judgment, eternal life, and the world to come do not allow for the easy conclusion that just because someone does not appear to accept Christ in this life that means that they will burn in hell forever. Still, he falls short of coming out and openly embracing the concept of universal salvation. Rather he goes back to building the concept of a loving God, and challenging that that all-loving God is going to set up a place where people are going consciously suffer torment eternally.

Rob Bell writes, “we shape our God, and then our God shapes us.  A distorted understanding of God, clung to with white knuckles and fierce determination, can leave a person outside the party, mad about a goat that was never got, without the thriving life Jesus insists is right here, all around us, all the time.

Jesus was very clear that this destructive, violent understanding of God can be easily institutionalized – in churches, systems, and ideas. It’s important that we are honest about this, because some churches are not life – giving places, draining people until there’s a very little life left. That God is angry, demanding, a slave driver, and so that God’s religion becomes a system of sin management, constantly working in angling to avoid what surely must be coming wrath that lurks behind every corner, thought and sin.

Jesus frees us from that, because he is kind of love simply does away with fear, … ‘You are always with me, and everything I have is yours.’”[iv]

Rob Bell’s final message is that “Love wins.”  The implication is that God’s incredible love is going to find a way for all.

Through personal stories of his own experiences and others, through biblical references, and through philosophical argumentation, Rob Bell strives to take the focus off of hell as some eternal place of conscious torment, and put it back on what draws people to Christ in the first place,the incredible and amazing love of God .  In the process he completely challenges much of the traditional theology taught in churches today.

[i] LOVE WINS, Rob Bell, HarperOne, New York, 2010, p 1

[ii] ibid.,  p. 67

[iii] ibid.,  p. 84

[iv] ibid.,  p. 183-184

© copyright 2011 Mark W Smith, all rights reserved.

June 29th, 2011 Posted by | End Times | no comments

The Real Meaning of Easter

In 00.3 The History of Easter we looked at how Easter got its name from the Germanic goddess Eostre, whose springtime festival was popular.  Evidently, Eostre liked rabbits and thus the Easter bunny tradition began.  Eggs are symbolic of new life which is what happens in spring and Easter eggs are also part of this pagan tradition. That rabbits can lay eggs is a little crazy, but that is part of the tradition.

A number of people object to the pagan aspects of Easter; the name, the Easter bunny, the eggs, and so forth.  They say that when eat Easter eggs you are participating in pagan traditions.  Paul wrote specifically about this kind of thing in first Corinthians chapter 10. Let’s start with the context:

Wherefore, my beloved, flee from idolatry. I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say. The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a communion of the body of Christ? seeing that we, who are many, are one bread, one body: for we are all partake of the one bread. Behold Israel after the flesh: have not they that eat the sacrifices communion with the altar? What say I then? that a thing sacrificed to idols is anything, or that an idol is anything? But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have communion with demons. Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of demons: ye cannot partake of the table of the Lord, and of the table of demons. Or do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he? (1 Corinthians 10:14-22)

The context is idolatry and eating foods sacrificed to idols.  We can see from these verses that in Corinth you could go somewhere and be offered food that was sacrificed to an idol (demon). You could also buy these foods. Paul is very clear that the sacrifice that we participate in is memorialized in the communion service, and the bread and wine of that ritual are the only foods that we should be partaking of when it comes to something that is sacrificed to a supernatural power.

But Paul has a lot more to say on this topic:

All things are lawful; but not all things are expedient. All things are lawful; but not all things edify. Let no man seek his own, but each his neighbor’s good. (1 Corinthians 10:23)

First he says that all things are lawful. That’s a very interesting perspective. Because Paul is saying that it is not unlawful for Christians to eat these foods. But the second thing that he says is that not all things are expedient, they don’t edify.  And if they don’t edify we shouldn’t be partaking in them. So he sets a guideline that we should consider our neighbors in partaking of foods that may have been offered idols.

There are a lot of examples of things that are lawful but not expedient.  For example, let’s take smoking cigarettes. Cigarettes are legally sold in every state of the union in the United States. At the same time, public service messages are continually broadcast, and health warnings are printed on each package because smoking cigarettes is an unhealthy practice; it’s just not a good thing to do.  Smoking is lawful, but not expedient.

A more dramatic example is that prostitution houses are legal in some places in Nevada. However, prostitution is clearly a sin in biblical terms. Even secular counselors advise that using prostitutes shows real problems with intimacy and attachment.  Prostitution is lawful, but not expedient.

An example more closely aligned to our context is chocolate.  Chocolate is delicious, and some advertise that chocolate, especially dark chocolate, has health benefits.  But, chocolate has theobromine, a caffeine like substance.  It also is high in fat and sugar.  Eating a little chocolate may be fine, but eating very much or late at night is lawful, but not expedient.

Let’s look at what Paul writes next:

Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, eat, asking no question for conscience’ sake, for the earth is the Lord’s, and the fulness thereof. If one of them that believe not biddeth you to a feast, and ye are disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience’ sake. But if any man say unto you, This hath been offered in sacrifice, eat not, for his sake that showed it, and for conscience sake: conscience, I say, not thine own, but the other’s; for why is my liberty judged by another conscience? If I partake with thankfulness, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks? Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. Give no occasions of stumbling, either to Jews, or to Greeks, or to the church of God: even as I also please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of the many, that they may be saved.  (1 Corinthians 10:25-33)

Paul says that if you buy some food that may have been offered idols, the first thing is to not even ask. Just eat it. But if somebody says that the food has been offered to idols, don’t eat it to set the example for the other person.  Do it for the glory of God, so that people may receive the Lord.

So what does this have to do with Easter eggs, Easter bunnies and so forth. Well, some say that if you eat Easter treats you are eating foods dedicated to the German goddess Easter. I’m going to suggest to you that it might be wise in that situation to not participate in any treats, at least around those people.  But, for the most part where Easter is celebrated and people die eggs and put out jelly beans and chocolate bunnies and such (remember there are chocolate crosses also), these foods are not being offered to the goddess Eostre,  they are being put out to celebrate the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore they are not being sacrificed to a goddess even though the tradition was borrowed from a pagan tradition.

As a grandfather, I went through some of these issues with my kids, and now I see it with my grandchildren. As there are a zillion children participating in Easter egg hunts, and eating Easter eggs and so forth it is pretty daunting to try to explain to your children that even though there are other Christian kids doing this, it is pagan and that you shouldn’t do it. I’m going to say to you that there is no problem giving kids the chance to hunt for Easter eggs and eat a few jellybeans and chocolate bunnies and such because those foods are put out in celebration of the resurrection of our Lord.

The Resurrection Is the Real Meaning of Easter to Christians

The day that Christians call Easter is a day commemorated to celebrating the fact that Jesus rose from the dead, in payment of our sins, giving us the opportunity for eternal life with him, and that he is going to come back, and that we will join him, and be with them for all eternity!

Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth on me, though he die, yet shall he live; (John 11:25)

Easter is part of a Christian’s worship, and more specifically it is part of the witness of Jesus’ resurrection.  Being a witness of Jesus’ resurrection is the primary mission of being a disciple of Christ:

beginning from the baptism of John, unto the day that he was received up from us, of these must one become a witness with us of his resurrection. (Acts 1:22)

The resurrection was the main point that the apostles and disciples preached in original, primitive Christianity:

And as they spake unto the people, the priests and the captain of the temple and the Sadducees came upon them, being sore troubled because they taught the people, and proclaimed in Jesus the resurrection from the dead. (Acts 4:1-2)

It can be argued that the great power that came to primitive, original Christianity came because they focused their preaching on the resurrection:

And with great power gave the apostles their witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. (Acts 4:33)

The resurrection is the core message of Christianity, it is the first test of orthodoxy:

men who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already, and overthrow the faith of some. (2 Timothy 2:18 ASV)

Now if Christ is preached that he hath been raised from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there is no resurrection of the dead, neither hath Christ been raised: and if Christ hath not been raised, then is our preaching vain, your faith also is vain. Yea, we are found false witnesses of God; because we witnessed of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, neither hath Christ been raised: and if Christ hath not been raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. Then they also that are fallen asleep in Christ have perished. If we have only hoped in Christ in this life, we are of all men most pitiable. But now hath Christ been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of them that are asleep. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; then they that are Christ’s, at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall deliver up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have abolished all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be abolished is death. For, He put all things in subjection under his feet. But when he saith, All things are put in subjection, it is evident that he is excepted who did subject all things unto him. And when all things have been subjected unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subjected to him that did subject all things unto him, that God may be all in all.  (1 Corinthians 15:12-28 ASV)

In the above verses death is called the last enemy.  Overcoming death is a focal point of Christian ministry:

except it be for this one voice, that I cried standing among them, Touching the resurrection of the dead I am called in question before you this day. (Acts 24:21 ASV)

Jesus Broke the Death Barrier

The greatness of Christianity is the resurrection.  Its not the others haven’t been raised from the dead previously; Lazarus and others were raised.  But they still died eventually.  Jesus rose from the dead never to rise again.  Jesus is the firstborn from the dead.   He is the first man to break the death barrier forever:

And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. (Colossians 1:18)

So here we have death, this awful thing where life just ceases.  We feel the loss of our loved ones when they die. We experience sadness, grief, and mourning.  We know that unless the Lord comes for us in our lifetime we will have to face death.  Even if we get raised from the dead in this life we still face that death.

But Jesus has paved a new path giving us a new life that is eternal where we never have to face death again.  It is life eternal with the Lord, with an incorruptible body without pain.  How awesome!

That’s what we celebrate on Easter: victory over death.

© copyright 2011 Mark W Smith, all rights reserved.

May 2nd, 2011 Posted by | Misc | no comments

The Gospels as Eyewitness Accounts

The concept of witness was important in OT times. Witnesses served to verify facts, agreements, deals, and guilt or innocence. This verification can be seen in Genesis 31:

And now come, let us make a covenant, I and thou; and let it be for a witness between me and thee.
And Jacob took a stone, and set it up for a pillar.
And Jacob said unto his brethren, Gather stones; and they took stones, and made a heap: and they did eat there by the heap.
And Laban called it Jegar-saha-dutha: but Jacob called it Galeed.
And Laban said, This heap is witness between me and thee this day. Therefore was the name of it called Galeed: [Gen 31:44-48]

Here Jacob and Laban made a stone marker, a heap of stones, which they named Galeed and Jegar-saha-dutha. The purpose of the heap was to note the conenant between the Laban and Jacob. It verified that there was a binding agreement in place.

“Thou shalt not bear false witness (Exodus 20:16)” is the ninth commandment for most Christians, eighth for Catholics and some Lutherans. In Luke 10 Jesus teaches that neighbors are not just those that live nearby when he tells the story of the Samaritan who helps the man from Jerusalem after he is robbed and injured.

The book of Ruth gives an interesting look at how transactions were “witnessed”.

Now this was the custom in former time in Israel concerning redeeming and concerning exchanging, to confirm all things: a man drew off his shoe, and gave it to his neighbor; and this was the manner of attestation in Israel.
So the near kinsman said unto Boaz, Buy it for thyself. And he drew off his shoe.
And Boaz said unto the elders, and unto all the people, Ye are witnesses this day, that I have bought all that was Elimelech’s, and all that was Chilion’s and Mahlon’s, of the hand of Naomi. [Ruth 4:7-9 ]

In Luke 1:1-4, the author establishes that the Gospel accounts are “eyewitness” accounts. The term used is eye-witness (lit., (self seeing) instead of witness ( testimony) used in, for example, Mark 24:14 where the disciples are called to be witnesses). Luke says that he is reporting what he has eye-witnessed, ergo, he is giving his witness that he has personally seen. It is not hearsay, or third party. He is attesting to it personally. The purpose of witness is verification as we have seen above, and the Luke’s stated purpose in writing his gospel is that “we might know the certainty concerning the things where you were instructed” which is verification. Luke states therefore in this opening to his gospel that he is testifying exactly what he has seen so the reader can be sure of what really happened.

Eyewitness accounts by involved people are extremely important in validating history. It was perhaps the only reliable verification.

The Gospels Never Say They Are The Word Of The Lord

Luke’s gospel therefore is a witness, a testimony. He also states that the other gospels are testimonies. This puts the gospels not in the camp of books written as holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Spirit, but in the camp of historical records attested as accurate witness testimonies. There is nothing in the gospels themselves or in other books of the Bible that said that God authored them, that God directed them to be written, that the authors were divinely inspired, or that they are in any way in the class of works of words given by prophets. In contrast to the writings of the Law and the prophets the propostion that the gospels were the Word of God were made by men a long time after the gospels were wriiten.

That is not to say that when the gospel authors report the words of Jesus, prophets, and angels that those words aren’t words given by revelation from God. But the gospel writer’s report of them are human eyewitness accounts. This is an important distinction.

I suggest that the gospels are in the form and manner of witnessing that was used as the disciples disseminated the gospel message. After all, the charge to the believers was to be witnesses:

And he said unto them, It is not for you to know times or seasons, which the Father hath set within His own authority.
But ye shall receive power, when the Holy Spirit is come upon you: and ye shall be my witnesses [emphasis added] both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea and Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. [Acts 1:7-8]

Jesus charged his disciples to be witnesses. Witnesses, of course, report what they see. We see this charge carried out as we read further in Acts.

And with great power gave the apostles their witness [emphasis added] of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. [Act 4:33]

The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew, hanging him on a tree.
Him did God exalt with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, to give repentance to Israel, and remission of sins.
And we are witnesses [emphasis added] of these things; and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God hath given to them that obey him. [Act 5:30-32]

The record of Peter and the household of Cornelius in is incredible when it comes to a record emphasizing the concept of witness. This is what Peter said. Look at how many times witness is brought up:

Then Peter said, Truly, I see clearly that God is no respecter of persons:
But in every nation, the man who has fear of him and does righteousness is pleasing to him.
The word which he sent to the children of Israel, giving the good news of peace through Jesus Christ who is Lord of all–
That word you yourselves have knowledge of, which was made public through all Judaea, starting from Galilee, after the baptism of which John was the preacher,
About Jesus of Nazareth, how God gave the Holy Spirit to him, with power: and how he went about doing good and making well all who were troubled by evil spirits, for God was with him.
And we are witnesses [emphasis added] of all the things which he did in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem; whom they put to death, hanging him on a tree.
On the third day God gave him back to life, and let him be seen,
Not by all the people, but by witnesses [emphasis added] marked out before by God, even by us, who took food and drink with him after he came back from the dead.
And he gave us orders to give news of this to the people, and to give public witness [emphasis added] that this is he whom God has made judge of the living and the dead.
To him all the prophets give witness [emphasis added], that through his name everyone who has faith in him will have forgiveness of sins.
While Peter was saying these words, the Holy Spirit came on all those who were hearing the word. [Act 10:34-44 ]

In this short discourse we see the word “witness” four times. And what were the words that were used in the witness? Short pieces of the Gospel story! Look at it. It is a summary of the gospel account. They spoke that Jesus was baptized by John (v.37), at which he received the Spirit from God (v.38). He went about, delivering people with great power (v.38). He fulfilled the word of the prophets who witnessed him aforetime (v.41). He preached words of peace (v.36). He was slain and hanged on a tree (v.39). He was raised from the dead the third day (v.40). He showed himself to many after he rose (v.41). He commanded us to preach to the people that he will come back as Judge (v.42). All that believe on him shall receive remission of sin, eternal life (v.43)

Here in Acts 10 we have a model for witnessing. That model is the gospel story.

I believe that the gospels are compilations of the witness testimonies that were used to tell people about Christ. Throughout the Book of Acts and intertwined among the Epistles is the gospel story, what Jesus did and taught and accomplished for us. The references are slight when talking about Jesus, but we know that what is written is small compared to the large amount of talking, preaching, teaching, and witnessing the disciples did. I believe that when the Apostles began to realize they might not see the Lord’s return in their lifetime they wrote or had written down what they had been saying about Jesus life, death, and resurrection as they witnessed all those years. Continuing on, let’s look at what Paul did.

Paul followed the same model:

and Paul, as his custom was, went in unto them, and for three sabbath days reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
opening and alleging that it behooved the Christ to suffer, and to rise again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom, said he, I proclaim unto you, is the Christ. [Act 17:2-3]

In the verses both above and below we see Paul’s pattern of showing that that Jesus fulfilled the O. T. prophesies. Remember that at this time there was no New Testament, so there could .

for he powerfully confuted the Jews, and that publicly, showing by the scriptures that Jesus was the Christ. [Act 18:28]

Paul followed Christ in teaching about the Kingdom of God:

And he entered into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, reasoning and persuading as to the things concerning the kingdom of God. [Act 19:8]

Showing that Jesus was the Christ is also a Gospel theme. For example:

Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the male children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the borders thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had carefully learned of the wise men.
Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying,
A voice was heard in Ramah, Weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children; And she would not be comforted, because they are not. [Matt 2:16-18]

Matthew 2:17-18 is quoting Jeremiah 31:15 as fulfilled because Herod had all boys two years old and younger killed in and around Bethlehem. Matthew here is showing that Jesus is the Christ according to the scriptures. Even before this Matthew 1:24 cites Isaiah 7:14 as being fulfilled in the virgin birth. (Also see Matthew 3:3, Mark 1:3, Luke 3:4,

No one knows what all Paul preached here, except it had to be quite a bit for him to present himself for three months. Remember that Jesus preached the Kingdom of God, and that when he sent the twelve, it was to preach the kingdom and do miraculous things:

And he called the twelve together, and gave them power and authority over all demons, and to cure diseases.
And he sent them forth to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick. [Luke 9:1-2]

Paul recounts the summarized gospel story again in:

For I delivered unto you first of all that which also I received: that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
and that he was buried; and that he hath been raised on the third day according to the scriptures;
and that he appeared to Cephas; then to the twelve;
then he appeared to above five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain until now, but some are fallen asleep;
then he appeared to James; then to all the apostles;
and last of all, as to the child untimely born, he appeared to me also. [1Co 15:3-8]

Here, once again we see the part of the framework of the gospels:

• Christ fulfilled the prophecies (v 3)
• He died, was buried, and was raised on the third day
• He appeared to many disciples

Finally Paul recounts that Jesus appeared to Paul, as one born out of due time. But we see in this dialogue that the foundation of the gospel story is used over and over in how the early church disciples witnessed, taught, and preached.


If, as we have seen, the gospels are not divinely inspired, not inerrant, then are they worthless? No, that is the point. They are very valuable. They are eyewitness accounts by people who were not only not critics or opponents of the movement; the writers understood the movement because they participated in it. Today with video of everything from moon walks to live births that doesn’t impact modern readers as much. But in prior times eyewitness testimonies were best available source of information to reliably learn about events.

If the gospels are not “words from God”, then they can’t be treated as every word being perfect and absolutely reliable. We have to weigh and evaluate what the writers wrote. But we have more than one. The beauty of having more than one gospel is that we have a means of corroborating and filling in details that a single eyewitness account doesn’t provide.


Despite the traditionally held view of many there is no evidence that God authored the gospels. Every indication suggests that the gospels are eyewitness accounts where the authors compiled their knowledge about the birth, life, death, resurrection, and post resurrection experience of Jesus Christ into a logical order and presented it. They emphasized different important points; how scripture was fulfilled, specific things Jesus taught, miracles and works that Jesus performed, painful details about his passion and death, and how he gloriously arose, was seen by quite a number of people, and ascended into heaven. The Book of Acts continues the narrative to show the effect of Christ in the start of the Christian church. These accounts are invaluable to believers as guides in learning about Christ.

© copyright 2009 Mark W Smith, All rights reserved.

September 14th, 2009 Posted by | Bibliology | no comments

What Does Salvation Mean?

Perhaps the most popular Christian verse is John 3:16:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life.

John 3:17 continues with the same theme (I am putting “saved” in italics to emphacize its usage.):

For God sent not the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should be saved through him.

There is that word “saved”. Or look this verse:

And he said unto all, If any man would come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
For whosoever would save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it. (Luke 9:23-24)

There is “saved” again. What does saved mean? What is salvation?

The word translated save is sozo in the Greek which means to make whole, to restore, to protect. In John 3:16 we have the comparison, perishing versus eternal life. In those two end results we have what we are saved from and what we are saved to. We are saved from perishing; we are saved unto eternal life. That’s what we read in John 3:16-17.

When Peter began to sink while walking on the water he cried out “save me” in Matt 14:30. When Jesus grabbed his hand, restoring him to the point where he could again walk on water until he got into the boat he was saved.  This illustrates the resuing, restoring, making whole meaning of “saved”.

Without Jesus we are in darkness, we are lost. This is not my message, these are Jesus’ words;

He that believeth on him is not judged: he that believeth not hath been judged already, because he hath not believed on the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And this is the judgment, that the light is come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light; for their works were evil.
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, and cometh not to the light, lest his works should be reproved.
But he that doeth the truth cometh to the light, that his works may be made manifest, that they have been wrought in God. (John 3:19-21)

Some people are upset at all the talk about perishing, about God judging, about sin, about talk of “evil works”. In John 3, Luke 9 the teaching about salvation versus judgment, sin and evil works are Jesus’ words. If you think that you are already righteous, then Jesus himself said;

But when he heard it, he said, They that are whole have no need of a physician, but they that are sick.
But go ye and learn what this meaneth, I desire mercy, and not sacrifice, for I came not to call the righteous, but sinners. (Matt 9:12-13)  (Whole italicized by author.)

There is that concept again of wholeness. Jesus came to restore those that call on him to wholeness.     If you think that you are whole already, that the things Jesus called evil aren’t evil, if you think that it isn’t fair that God would judge sinners, if you think Jesus isn’t real, then he didn’t come for you. Jesus came for those that recognize a need for him so that they can be restored to wholeness.

The thief cometh not, but that he may steal, and kill, and destroy: I came that they may have life, and may have it abundantly.(John 10:10)

Jesus came to restore us to an abundant life now (John 10:10), and eternally (John 3:16).  Life in Jesus makes us whole.  With Jesus we can have a life that is abundant whereas without Jesus we live a life that is full of the darkness that abounds in the world.  An abundant life now and eternal life with him is what Jesus came to make available.   That is what salvation is about.

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August 19th, 2009 Posted by | Basic Christianity, Misc | no comments

There Is Scientific Evidence to Support Phenomena Described In the Bible If You Are Open Enough To Look at It; Original Christians Accepted some Things as Literal and Others Not


Postmodern theology is based at least in part on the premise that certain parts of the bible are scientifically impossible. The theory continues on that surely we know that so much of bible is just myths and fables. A worldwide flood as described in the bible would require more water that is possible under any circumstances. The miracles described in the story of the exodus are just too preposterous to be believable because there isn’t any evidence. Because of these “facts” the bible is highly suspect as a source for any kind of literal truth. Add in that times and cultures have changed dramatically in many ways and what you have at best is a book that has only symbolic or metaphysical meaning and at worst is a collection of myths and fables that have deluded people for way too long.

Biblical archaeology is a subfield of archaeology. And in fact, within the field there is widespread debate about even using the term “biblical archaeology”.[i] The concern of a lot of archaeologists is that since not all discoveries even in “biblical” lands relate to the Bible, it is a misnomer to label the activity biblical. And, not even all Christian and Jewish archaeologists subscribe to the historicity of the Bible. Some Jewish, Christian, as well as secular scholars believe that accounts in the Bible, for example, the patriarchs, are myths and fables. Randall Price, in his book, The Stones Cry Out, shares his surprise when one of his professors at the Hebrew Jewish university in Jerusalem stated convincingly, Abraham never existed, but his cousins did.[ii]

Nevertheless, there are proponents in archaeology that say that archaeology is a useful tool for use in corroborating Bible events, as well as increasing our understanding of the times and cultures talked about in Bible passages. Even while the text of the Bible isn’t always clarified or even ratified by archaeological sources, archaeology aids in defining words or terms in ancient languages. Often we just get pottery, buildings, and fragments of the life and times of peoples in eons ago. And while some accounts to do reinforce biblical accounts they are from the perspective of an alien culture who might not understand with or agree with the beliefs of the people of God and the Bible.[iii]

An example of this explanation is seen regarding the verses of Matthew 8:22 and Luke 9:60. “Let the dead bury their dead.” In our day and time, this may seem like harsh discipline. It appears to say that a man cannot even go to the funeral of his father. But that is not the case. Archaeologists point out that the Israelites of that time had two burials. These burials were about a year apart. The first burial was within a family cave. Then there was a period of mourning of about a year. The second burial was in a bone box, ossuary, with the remains of the other family members, of course after all the flesh had decomposed. For a man to bury the dead then meant that he would be gone for a year or more which is radically different than the few days that we take in our society. Furthermore, this Jewish practice of two burials doesn’t appear to be biblical. So in effect, Jesus was speaking out against an un-Biblical practice as much as he was setting a priority of making the advance of the kingdom of God most important.[iv]

The importance of archaeology in relation to the Bible is seen in the case of the Hittites. Centuries ago there was no historical evidence of the Hittites (Genesis 20 3:10 – 20 and 2 Samuel). There was doubt of their existence; they were simply part of “religious history” as compared to “real history.” But in 1876 British scholar A. H. Sayce discovered script carved on rocks in Turkey and Syria. Then clay tablets were found at Boghaz-Koy. A German cuneiform expert, Hugo Winckler, went and found five temples, a fortified citadel, and much more. In one room alone he found more than 10,000 tablets. This rediscovery of this ancient people in modern times serves as a caution to those who would dismiss biblical accounts as religious fables.[vi]

This article will focus on how the archaeological and other scientific evidence supports and clarifies some of the dramatic events of the Bible. We will look at how this evidence is disputed by scientists depending on where they stand in the evolution-creation debate. In our process we will look at some scientific and geologic evidence that substantiates and explains some of these events. It’s important to note that just because there is a scientific explanation that this does not negate the hand of God in causing the events to come to pass.

The Flood

One of the first great events in the Bible that is often challenged is the flood. According to the book of Genesis, the sins of man had grieved God the Father to the point that he was ready to destroy all men, except for one man, Noah, and his family. So God informed Noah of what he was going to do, and advised him to build the ark, which he did. Noah then filled the ark with animals, got into it with his family, and the Lord sealed the ship as the rain started and the flood ensued. Mankind, as well as beasts everywhere, perished in the flood. The waters subsided, the ark landed, and mankind it was started off fresh in Noah and his family.

This is an incredible story. Unbelievers as well as many liberal Christians and Jews call it fable. But there is archaeological evidence of the flood, even if it is limited.

There are several Epics that have been recovered at digs that show that the flood is common to several of the earliest religions. Epics are narratives handed down in cultures that tell stories that explain beliefs and past events. The Atrahasis Epic, The Enuma Elish, and the Gilgamesh Epic all are Flood stories.

The Atrahasis Epic was found on stones in Mesopotamia. It tells the story of Atrahasis, who was given a warning to build a boat, fill it with food in animals, and save mankind. It also has a creation account.[vii]

The Enuma Elish is a Mesopotamian text with a cosmogony, an account of creation. Like Genesis, light predates the sun and stars, and a watery chaos is separated into heaven and earth. Like Genesis, the epic is mostly a battle between gods, chiefly Marduk and Tiamat, and a host of rebel gods.[viii]

The Gilgamesh Epic is a Babylonian account. Utnaphistim was ordered by the Creator God, Ea, to build a ship, fill it with animals, his family, and treasures to survive the storm which flooded the earth and killed the rest of mankind. In this account the boat came to rest on Mount Nisir in Kurdistan, rather than Mount Ararat in Turkey. Utnaphistim sent out a dove, a swallow, and a raven. The raven did not return, and that is how Utnaphistim knew the waters were receding. While it has striking parallels to the Genesis account it has a different tone and a more legendary character than that of Genesis.[ix]

Geologic Evidence of the Flood

The result of archeology only shows that there were other flood stories. Evolutionary scientists say stories are one thing but science proves there was no flood. But does it really? Or does it just argue convincingly enough to get a lot of people to reject alternatives? Many people are familiar with a lot of arguments of how the earth is billions of years old and how only evolution will satisfy these arguments. Carbon dating says that the earth is billions of years old and man is millions of years old. Ice cores prove there are millions of years of ice. All creatures share genetic materials and therefore must have been produced evolutionarily. Non religious geology scholars scoff at the idea of a flood that went over the world’s mountains. Their conclusions are that bible stories are fables.

But there are numerous scientists who find much corroboration for and no absolute arguments against a global flood. When you look at the evidence, there are compelling geologic reasons to seriously consider the Flood story:

1. Fossils of sea creatures high above sea level
2. Rapid burial of plants and animals
3. Rapidly deposited sediment layers spread across vast areas
4. Sediment transported long distances
5. Rapid or no erosion between strata
6. Many strata laid down in rapid succession[x]

Let’s look at point one. Look at this quote from the Answers in Genesis web site;

“It is beyond dispute among geologists that on every continent we find fossils of sea creatures in rock layers which today are high above sea level. For example, we find marine fossils in most of the rock layers in Grand Canyon. This includes the topmost layer in the sequence, the Kaibab Limestone exposed at the rim of the canyon, which today is approximately 7,000–8,000 feet (2,130–2,440 m) above sea level.”[xi]

Would you expect to find marine fossils 7,000 ft above sea level in an exposed layer? I know I wouldn’t. That certainly supports a case for catastrophic worldwide flooding.

Instead of an absolute truth that proves the Bible false what we find is an intense dispute among scientists. This just shows how bias exists even in trained scientists. There are many intelligent, competent, experienced scientists that do research and give sound explanations in support of biblical answers in many areas. The disputes range from the age of the earth to dating methods to whether men and dinosaurs could have co-habited the earth to the historicity of a global flood.

Here is an example of a dispute between scientists. There are numerous places on the earth where geologists have disputed over whether the formations were slowly set up over millions of years or quickly deposited in a global flood. One such place is the fabulous Grand Canyon. One of the features of the Grand Canyon is the many layers of rock that are visible. These rock layers were once sand, mud, and lime. One of these layers is called the Coconino Sandstone. This Sandstone is the thick, light-colored layer near the top of the canyon walls. Its average thickness is an estimated 315 feet, and it covers an estimated 200,000 square miles.

One of the distinct features of the Coconino Sandstone is the distinct cross layers of sand within the layer called cross beds. Evolutionary geologists have interpreted these cross beds by comparing them with the sand dunes in deserts which are dominated by quartz sand grains and have inclined internal sand beds. Therefore evolutionary geologists have concluded that the Coconino Sandstone was created over many thousands of years in a desert of moving sand dunes. They have similar, though not identical features. Notice that while they are similar they are not identical.

Another feature of the Coconino Sandstone is the large numbers of fossilized footprints in sequences called trackways. Evolutionary geologists again compared these to footprints in dry desert sand dunes. They postulate that these footprints once made were then covered up by windblown sand, and then somehow slowly cemented over eons. Thus there is a plausible explanation that fits well into the evolutionary hypothesis.

Above the Coconino Sandstone is the Toroweap formation and below it is the Hermit Formation. Geologists agree that both of these settlements were deposited by and/or in water. The dry Coconino Sandstone layer in between these other layers has caused even some Christian geologists to accept an evolutionary model. How could there be a flood with this dry level between the wet ones?

But there is other evidence, and other explanations. Dr. Leonard Brand of Loma Linda University in California has recently re-examined the footprint trackways in the Coconino Sandstone layer. He observed and measured 236 experimental trackways made by living amphibians and reptiles in experimental chambers. The tracks made were on sand below water, on moist sand at water level, and on dry sand, mostly sloping at an angle of twenty five degrees, with variations. Since wet sand tracks are uniquely different Dr. Brand was able to determine that the tracks of the Coconino Sandstone were made underwater. Further studies revealed that all but one of these track ways had been made by animals moving up cross bed slopes underwater. Additionally, and very significantly, the tracks start and stop abruptly. It appears the animals were swimming, landed, walked for a period of time, and swam away. This invalidates the hypothesis that the layer was dry when formed.

Glenn Visher, professor of geology at the University of Tulsa in Oklahoma, and not a creationist geologist, notes other factors that invalidate the hypothesis that the Coconino Sandstone was created in dry conditions over many thousands of years. Visher performed sand grain size analysis of the Coconino Sandstone and modern sand waves and found that the Coconino Sandstone doesn’t compare to dry sand dunes; he found that the angles of the slopes are in line with underwater sand formations. He also found that pitting of these sand grains is in line with underwater formation. [xi]

The result of these and other studies is that there is a considerable amount of evidence that the massive Coconino Sandstone was formed in an underwater deposit.[xii] These and other arguments are in the numerous books and articles written that show the evidence of a global flood. To ignore the work of competent scientists like Brand and Visher is poor science and just shows bias. Science has not rejected the flood story. If anything, bias within the field has motivated some evolutionary scientists to try to discredit the work of other scientists that do not hold to the same world view as them.

The Exodus

While some critics label the Bible as full of errors, and denied that even large figures like Abraham, Moses and David ever existed, there is an abundance of evidence that substantiates at least some of the historical facts. There is even evidence that substantiates some of the miracles in the Bible. One such example is the story of the Exodus, including the plagues, the parting of the Red Sea, and the walk in the wilderness.

In the Exodus Decoded, Simcha Jacobovici presents a lavish documentary narrated by no less than James Cameron.[xiii] In the documentary he quotes a number of university professors including Professor Philip Davies from the University of Scotland, Professor James Hoffmeier from Trinity Evangelical Divinity school, Professor Keith W Whitelam from the University of Sheffield, and Professor Donald R. Redford, an Egyptologist from Pennsylvania State University.

The narration begins with James Cameron stating the premise that while many scholars have searched fruitlessly for proof of the Exodus Simcha Jacobovici says that the archaeological evidence has always been there.

The story of the Exodus starts with the people of Jacob migrating to Egypt because of a great famine. Initially as relatives of the great Joseph they flourish. But as Joseph is forgotten the Israelites are enslaved. Moses is a descendent of the Israelites, and the story is that God talked to Moses through a burning bush, and called him to lead the Israelite people out of Egypt. Moses appeared before Pharaoh, but Pharaoh would not let the people go. Under God’s direction Moses told Pharaoh about one plague after another that would siege the land unless Pharaoh let the people go. Despite the plagues Pharaoh’s heart kept hardened until the 10th plague. At that point Pharaoh let the Israelites go, but then changed his mind and chased after them. Moses came to the Red Sea with the entire population of the Israelites, and again under gods or reckless direction, he parted the Red Sea. The Israelites passed over on dry land. Pharaoh’s men chose to follow, but the sea close back in on them and they were destroyed. Finally Moses led the people of Israel through Mount Sinai into the wilderness where eventually they entered the promised land.

The Exodus Decoded documentary presents a number of exhibits, and the first one, exhibit A, is the Ahmose stele, an artifact found in Egypt. The stele records the storm around the time of the Exodus. It also talks of the land being enveloped in darkness by a singular God. Exhibit B. is the mummy of Pharaoh Ahmose. This mummy is from the Hyksos period, 1700 to 1500 B.C. Now some scholars date the Exodus at around 1270 B.C., but others date it farther back at around 1470 B.C. to 1500 B.C. For the sake of this presentation Simcha Jacobovici postulates that these exhibits and other artifacts that we will lokk at give the date of the Exodus at about 1500 B.C. That makes the migration to Egypt about 1700 B.C. At Beni Hassan there is a wall painting that dates to about 1700 B.C. that depicts the Israeli migration. The inscription calls the people, “the Amon” which means God’s people. That is exhibit C.

Exhibit D is found at Avaris in the Nile Delta. The seal of Joseph was found. Actually nine seals were found, called the Yakov Royal Ring.

The next exhibit is found at Serabit, El Khadim. The Bible says that the Israelites did not use hieroglyphics. Rather they used alphabetic inscriptions. And they called their God El. At Serabit El Khadim there are inscriptions by slaves that say, “El, save me.” These artifacts point to 1500 B.C. as the date of the Exodus.

The eruption of the Santorini volcano on the island of Crete at the same time is part of this story. This eruption caused a huge ash cloud. The sound from this eruption circled the Earth 10 to 12 times. The force of this eruption was hundreds of times stronger than the Hiroshima atomic bomb.

Dating the eruption to 1500 B.C. is somewhat controversial as most date it earlier, some as early as the 1600’s BC. But the Exodus Decoded documentary gives evidence that the Santorini volcano eruption was at the same time as the Exodus. The point of the whole documentary is to show that there are abundant facts that will corroborate and explain the dates and the mechanisms by which both the plagues happened and the Exodus started. The events of the volcanic eruption and the Exodus are synchronous, explaining many of the elements in the Exodus story.

The Santorini eruption caused an earthquake storm. The Nile Delta is crisscrossed by fault lines. It’s in an earthquake zone. The aforementioned Ahmose stele confirmed that Egyptian gods were toppled to the ground. This indicates earthquake activity.

Now for the plagues: Plague number one was that the River Nile turned to blood. This sounds like a complete fairy tale. But there are historical records of bodies of water turning blood red along with other disastrous effects. In 1986 Lake Nyos in Cameroon turned blood red when gas released from under the lake mixed with iron in the water and cause the water to look like blood. The water in this state pollutes and kills everything but frogs, which is the second plague, the frogs jumping out of the polluted water. The lack of clean water leads to lice, flies, and bacterial epidemics on humans and animals. Plague three was lice, plague four was flies, plague five was epidemic illness.

The next plague, plague six, was boils. At the aforementioned lake at Nyos in Cameron where the gasses turned the water red, the CO2 in the water comatized a number of people producing boils all over their bodies. It is so very interesting to have not only theoretical postulations but an example of some of these phenomenon at Lake Nyos.

Plague seven was hail together with fire. Like the Nile turning red this sounds impossible. But the documentary showed an exhibit, the IPuwer (Plagues) Papyrus, which told of Egypt being struck by a strange hail, fire and ice together, This kind of hail is possible but only possible with a volcanic irruption. The Santorini eruption sent huge amounts of ash into the upper atmosphere, and when they started to cool, hailstones were formed, wrapping ice around hot ash, making a hail that was both fire and ice together.

The next plague, number eight, was locusts. Locusts fly in swarms in that area. The weather disruption of the volcano storm caused the locusts to land. That is something that does occur in nature. Plague number nine was darkness. The cloud of ash and debris from the volcano eruption was 40 km from top to bottom and 200 km across. This cloud engulfed the Nile Delta into complete darkness. As evidence the documentary showed how Santorini ash was found in the Nile Delta. Ash has a fingerprint aspect, and it is able to ascertain that small amounts of the Santorini ash are present in the area.

Plague number 10 was the death of the firstborn. Every firstborn male Egyptian died. This sounds too incredible to be explained by any natural phenomena. But it is explainable. In 1986 again at Lake Nyos in Cameron when the villagers went to sleep, a CO2 gas was disturbed in the lake, forming a fog that rolled over the land killing everyone it covered. People that slept on higher ground survived and woke up to find people and animals on the low ground dead.

So the question is how were the firstborn in Egypt alone selected as victims to that phenomena? The answer lies in Egyptian culture. Egyptian firstborn males held an elevated status in the culture. As a rule Egyptians slept on rooftops and higher locations like many other people in the Middle East. But firstborn males had the privilege of sleeping on a bed on the bottom floor. They alone would have been covered by the CO2 fog that crept out of the water that night. The sitting and eating Israelites would have been bypassed as their heads would have been higher. To substantiate this the documentary showed the location of mass graves around this time period. Many of the graves were small and shallow indicating young people and infants. Ahmose’ son’s mummy was found in the Cairo Museum. He died at about 12 years old.

The documentary strives to prove that instead of disbelieving things because there were natural phenomena involved, the point is that God uses nature at times to perform his acts.

After the death of the firstborn, Pharaoh finally let the Israelites go. But soon his heart hardened again, and he sent his soldiers after the Israelites. The next issue in the Exodus story than is what happens when Moses raises his staff and the sea parts.

There have been a lot of searches in the Red Sea looking for artifacts of the Exodus. After all, if hundreds of thousands of men and soldiers passed through the Red Sea and many soldiers and chariots were killed there, then there must be some sign somewhere. But the documentary looks for another explanation. In the biblical text the term that is translated Red Sea, “Yam Suf”, really should be translated “Reed Sea”.

Reeds grow in fresh water, not saltwater. There is an artifact at the Ismailia Regional Museum. A hieroglyphic inscription on a monument there talks of the Exodus from an Egyptian point of view. It has a symbol for a parted sea, two sets of three waves and two knives, a parted water. It mentions a location, an ancient lake, known as Lake El Balah, the lake where God devoured. It was close to the Nile Delta. The documentary postulates that the plates that had been shifting all this time shifted again this time the African plate rose about 1.5 m. This shifted the water in the lake and dry land appeared. Then, as what usually happens with that in ocean or sea earthquake, the water recedes and then it comes back as a tsunami.

The tsunami washed over the lake and the land around. Experts say the waves were half as high as the Empire State building. The lake was 12 miles inland, but according to scripture the people of Israel were on higher ground, only Pharaoh’s men would have been on the lake bed. The tsunami wave rushed over Pharaoh’s soldiers and killed them all.

The documentary shows more evidence at this point. There is evidence that some Israelites left the exiting Israelites and went to Greece. In 1972 digging under Santorini wall paintings were found depicting an exodus of this from Egypt to Greece. The paintings are a giant map. The map substantiates Avaris as the port, and shows contact between Egyptians and Minoans. Also in the Greek city of Mycenae 3500 year old tombs were found to contain Egyptian swords and gold. The images on the gravestones look like chariots chasing people running through parted water. Other images show the water overtaking the chariots. The documentary shows experts who said the scenes were of hunters or chariot races, but the documentary made its point that these images clearly looked like the scenes from of the Exodus.

The documentary goes on to explain how the pillar of fire and the cloud that the Bible says led the Israelites could have been the result of the quake as well. Oil fires are a common phenomena in the Middle East. If an oil eruption catches fire it becomes a pillar of fire. It also produces a cloud of smoke. A pillar of fire with its resulting cloud in the Sinai wilderness could have been the distant point God used to direct people packed to the promised land. The wilderness walk, using Elim, Kadesh Barnea, and other calculations in the documentary show the possible location of Mount Sinai, and the route the Exodus took to the promised land.

Finally the documentary postulates that in the artifacts found at Mycenae was a piece of work that shows a 3-D image of the altar of God with the Ark of the covenant behind. It is a fascinating display of what the Ark actually look like.

The documentary is incredible. It makes the point that the Exodus is historically true in many aspects. It dates the Exodus at about 1500 B.C. It shows artifacts that document the migration of the Israelite people into Egypt, as well as the Exodus out of Egypt. It uses knowledge about the natural phenomena regarding the Santorini eruption to give an explanation that both explains how the plagues would have happened as well as documentation that shows that at least some of them did happen. While skeptics will always be available to disbelieve, the documentary should be applauded to show that there is corroboration to explain biblical events.

The Difference between an Individual Issue and a Complete World View

In this article we have looked at the debate over the accuracy of some of the miraculous events of the Bible. In the debate between some postmodern liberals and conservative fundamentalist Christians it sometimes looks like an all or nothing proposition. Some Postmodern liberals say all the bible is a myth. Even Christ never actually lived, or if he did he never was resurrected. Adam, Abraham and Moses are fable characters that may give important life lessons, but nothing more.

On the other hand some conservative Christians are ultra literal. The seven days of creation were a total of 168 hours, no more and no less. There literally was a snake that talked in the literal garden of Eden with literal trees, one called knowledge of good and evil and another called life. The way they tell it their fruit weren’t apples, but were like apples or peaches. Some even believe the parables Jesus taught were completely factual, Lazarus as an actual man died and rests in a literal place called Abraham’s bosom, and this is an exact and factual teaching on what happens to people when they die. The wicked are in flames and can see the righteous in Abraham’s bosom, and they can converse. The 66 books in the Protestant bible are the divinely inspired Word of God, authored by God himself.

Primitive, original Christianity did not appear to take either of these positions. They did not take the week of creation to be a literal seven days, there is no evidence that they gave Word of God status to anything but the law and the prophets and even then they understood that there were allegorical parts that were not literal, but symbolic. When Christ referred to Genesis he referred to the point, not the person. He didn’t mention Adam and Eve, rather he said he said haven’t you read that in the beginning he created male and female when referring to the marital issue of divorce.

On the other hand there is every indication that original, primitive Christians believed in a literal flood and everything the bible says about the exodus, and a number of other supernatural events in the OT. Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon, Isaiah, and Daniel were actual men that did and said the things written about them in the OT.

It follows then that the scientific work done to validate the flood or some other supernatural event of the OT does not necessarily validate the whole world view of the proponent. You can believe the flood happened but creation took longer than a week.


Biblical archaeology has an important if limited function. It serves in a limited way to corroborate, illuminate and sometimes challenge our understanding of the Bible. Being poorly funded, archaeology is probably not going to make radical changes in how people believe. Nevertheless, we owe a great debt of gratitude to the many that have worked this field and given us substantiation, corroboration, and exciting insight to the biblical narrative.

More importantly, we have viable scientific support for major events in the bible like the flood and the exodus. Scientists and scholars that say the bible is completely unbelievable because it doesn’t fit with evolutionary theory or known historical facts cannot speak absolutely. There are competent, trained scientists and scholars that give scientifically based answers and corroboration to show how these events are very possible. Just because one disagrees with one or a few aspects of a literal 7 day creation view does not justify invalidating the hard work of competent scientists and scholars who happen to believe in that view and work to show scientific evidence that substantiates it and other phenomena described in the bible. And accepting a scientist’s substantiation for a world flood does not require you to accept a literal seven day creation.

Scientists give corroboration for many of the events in the bible including such incredible events as a worldwide flood and the plagues and miracles of the Exodus. Their voices should be heard by all including our children at school.

[i] The Stones Cry Out, Randall Price, Harvest House Publishers, Eugene Oregon, 1997, preface
[ii]The Stones Cry Out, p 90
[iii] The Stones Cry Out, p 44
[iv] The Stones Cry Out, p 42-43
[v] The Stones Cry Out, p 83
[vi] The Stones Cry Out, p 45-47
[vii] The Stones Cry Out, p 61
[viii] The Stones Cry Out, p 62
[ix] The Stones Cry Out, p 63
[x] Answers in Genesis website, http://www.answersingenesis.org
[xi] http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v3/n1/high-dry-sea-creatures
[xii] http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v15/i1/flood.asp
[xiii] The Exodus Decoded, History Channel, A Simcha Jacobovici Film, 2006

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